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Will Carroll has his team team health report up for the Cardinals. I suppose the only real news is that Eckstein is listed as "red", whatever that means. Carroll being Carroll, there are a couple of things I feel compelled to address.

First:

It's a bit more shallow in the pitching end of the pool, where the team is starting the season with Morris on the DL and, beyond Ankiel, there's nothing even remotely ready. Go ahead, tell me who the next starter would be if someone went down in spring training.

Probably Anthony Reyes, maybe Adam Wainwright or Chris Gissell. Carroll doesn't mention Reyes or Gissell, which probably tells me all I need to know, but I'm sure he's not the only one stuck on the idea that the Cardinals don't have any pitching depth. Gissell won't get any Cy Young votes, but somehow he managed a sub-4 ERA in 200 innings at Colorado Springs (elevation 6000+ feet) over the previous two seasons.

Reyes is the real one to watch however. Consider this comparison between Reyes's time at AA in 2004 and the record some other pitcher, let's call him Mark Cosbi, had at AA a couple of years ago:

Name  IP  ERA   K/9    BB/9    H/9
Cosbi 35  2.60  14.3   2.6     6.9
Reyes 74  2.91  12.4   1.6     7.5

Sample size caveats and all that, but they're reasonably similar. Cosbi, of course, is actually Mark Prior in 2002, who after three starts at AAA then had a stellar half-season with the big club (3.32 ERA) in 2002 and was the best starter in the National League in 2003. Reyes didn't pitch especially well at Palm Beach before his AA stint, but (a) 2004 was his first season in pro ball and more importantly (b) he had some physical problems that apparently cleared up, at least temporarily. There's an obvious danger from this kind of comparison (see Brendan Harris), so I'm not claiming that Reyes is the second coming of Mark Prior. In fact, I won't even claim that Reyes is as good as that stat-line suggests, but I'd much rather have Anthony Reyes as my first guy up than Sergio Mitre.

Carroll also said of Jason Marquis:

The year after cracking the 200-inning mark is a big test for pitchers, so watch him early.

I haven't seen any study that backs this up, so I ran a query on the Lahman database. Here's a summary of what I found for what pitchers did in the years after they threw 200 innings:

Time     #      Avg IP  Agg ERA
#       P's       X+1     X+1
1	627	  187    3.81
2	424	  199    3.71
3	330	  198    3.60
4	245	  205    3.62
5	178	  204    3.59
6	128	  199    3.56
7	 95	  202    3.55
8	 66	  223    3.41
9	 55	  194    3.37
10	 34	  211    3.34
11	 27	  195    3.60
12	 20	  196    3.59
13	 13	  196    3.49
14	  9	  205    3.49
15	  7	  212    3.40
16	  6	  165    3.92
17	  3	  206    4.14
18	  2	  218    4.08
19	  2	  173    4.76
20	  1	  192    4.70

The first column breaks down pitcher-seasons by the number of seasons the pitcher has made it to 200 innings. For example, 2003 was the third season Brett Tomko threw 200 innings (gosh, did he really torture us that many innings?), so his 2004 season goes in row 3. 1998 was the first season Tomko threw 200 IP, so his 1999 season goes in row 1. Between 1954 and 2003 there were 627 different pitchers who threw 200 innings in a season. After their first season of 200+ innings they averaged 187 innings with an ERA of 3.81. Compared to years beyond, that's a little low innings-wise and a little bad, but not dramatically so.

The three main reasons why a pitcher wouldn't have thrown 200 innings prior to year X, and why he would throw a lot of 200 inning seasons in general, are (1) he's not talented enough -- call it the Jason Simontacchi Reason -- (2) he's hurt a lot -- call that the Donovan Osborne Reason -- and (3) he's been too young -- call that the Felix Hernandez Reason. Reason #3 obviously doesn't apply to Jason Marquis and, as far as I can tell, neither does Reason #2, since Marquis has had only two trips to the DL since being drafted in 1996, once in the minors (strained abdominal muscle) and once in the majors (elbow tendinitis), neither particularly serious. So really we're back to Reason #1, whether Marquis is that talented. Maybe Carroll has something to back up his statement, but I'm not seeing anything special here.

Oh yeah, my queries unearthed only one pitcher who has thrown twenty 200 IP seasons. My first guess was Cy Young, but he only had 19 of those seasons... and none of them were after 1953 anyway. I'll let people guess who that guy is (and, yes, he threw 192 innings in the year after his last 200 IP season).

Posted by Rob at February 24, 2005 05:39 PM
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The question is, why we would listen to anything Will Carroll says about the Cardinals. And yeah, with the injury histories of some of the Cubs starters, plus the fact that one of them is Glendon Rusch, I'd be a lot more worried about about having Mitre as the next line.

As for your question, I'm going to make a guess 30 seconds after reading it: either Walter Johnson or Warren Spahn.

Posted by: CalvinPitt at February 24, 2005 08:20 PM

I sweat that I read a few years back that injuries are most likely to happen when a pitcher exceeds his previous career high in innings by 40 or more in a season. However, I've never been able to find that article again, so I may be crazy.

Nonetheless, maybe Carroll's point wan't so much that it was his first 200 inning season, but that it was his first 200 innings season, and it followed a low workload one.

Of course, Wil Carroll's opinoin isn't exactly something I care about. Personally, I think he's a tool.

Posted by: Robb at February 24, 2005 10:13 PM

Don Sutton. Threw 200+ innings in: 1966-80, 1982-84, 1985-6.

Posted by: Len Cleavelin at February 25, 2005 07:05 AM

Yes, you got him, Len. It goes with my feeling that Sutton wasn't a great pitcher, so much as a good pitcher who lasted forever.

On Carroll: He's one of the two or so BP authors who actually tells me things I don't know (Click being the other regular writer). When he gets away from his "medhead" stuff he can be like Eddie Murphi, er, Murphy trying to sing though, especially when Carroll's discussing the Cardinals. I probably wouldn't have bothered except there are a fair number of folks who think the Cardinals lack pitching depth and also think Marquis is a big question mark health-wise.

I'd guess Marquis passed the bigger test in 2004. It's pretty hard to get through 200 innings, pitch in three rounds of the post-season, and then go pitch in Japan for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Rob at February 25, 2005 10:40 AM

Marquis seemed to hit a wall after Labor Day.

In his last 4 starts before then (3 of which were 115+ pitches) he allowed 5 runs in 29.1 ip to run his record to 14-4, with a 3.44 era. He was in the midst of a spectacular breakout season as a 25 year old, giving the Birds all they could've hoped for. He'd also gone over 170 ip, exceeding his previous high.

His rate stats, while not great, were decent: WHIP of 1.39; 6.2K/2.9bb per 9 innings, and he allowed a homer every 8.2 ip.

After Labor Day, things got ugly. Including his 3 postseason starts (as well as one scoreless relief appearance), Marquis was 1-4 in 8 starts and allowed 31 runs (26 earned) in 43 innings.

His WHIP shot up to 1.70, he actually walked more (5.65 per 9 ip) than he struck out, and he allowed 9 homers (one every 4.8 ip).

Those three starts before Labor Day where he threw 115+ pitches, after which he tanked, were unusual for Marquis in 2004: Only one other start, in May, did he throw as many as 115 pitches in a game.

If the Birds handle Marquis with a little TLC I can see him showing more of the stuff he displayed through Labor Day. You just have to hope that having been through the long haul last year, he's getting stronger and will continue to build endurance.

Posted by: salvo at February 25, 2005 01:05 PM