Projecting Chris Carpenter

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By the Iron_Throne

Going into this season, several Cardinal players have a swirl of different projections around them.  The injury histories of Matt Morris and Larry Walker leave us with little idea of how they will perform, and the strange story of Rick Ankiel defies prediction;  Yaider Molina is young and Reggie Sanders is old, Mark Grudzielanek is a former bench player, Julian Tavarez is just crazy.  But what about another Cardinal, forgotten about in the postseason, fallen prey to a rare injury, but heavily counted on for this season? 

Chris Carpenter started his pro career well, the Jay’s number one pick in 1993, fresh out of high school and lighting up the radar gun.  He struggled early on his call ups to the majors, but showed flashed of brilliance over short stretches sandwiched between bouts of inconsistency.  He finally seemed to put it all together in 2001 when he struck out 157 in 215.2 innings, with an ERA of 4.09 and a WHIP of 1.41, playing half of his games in the Skydome, which played as an extreme hitters park in 2001.  He still walked too many (75) and gave up too many homeruns (29), but the future was bright for the 26 year old.  However, elbow surgery derailed his pitching and bought him a ticket out of Canada.  Picked up two years ago as a project for Dave Duncan to spend his time on, he never managed to pitch for the team in 2003.  However, he looked great in spring training last year and made the team as a top starter.  He didn’t disappoint, either, striking out 152 in 182 innings with a 3.46 and an ace-like 1.14 WHIP before his late season injury.

However, going into this season, most projections for him call for steps back that would make him a good pitcher, but not great.  I’ve assembled some of the predictions I’ve found for him (plus his performance in 2001 and 2004):

Source

G

IP

H

BB

SO

ERA

WHIP

W

HR

K/9

K/BB

2001

34

215.2

229

75

157

4.09

1.41

11

29

6.55

2.1

2004

28

182

169

38

152

3.46

1.14

15

24

7.52

4.0

PECOTA

27

164

165

45

119

3.95

1.28

 

19

6.53

2.6

Sporting News

30

192

182

42

167

3.65

1.16

17

 

7.83

4.0

MLB Yearbook

27

170

165

42

133

3.86

1.22

12

 

7.04

3.2

Rotoworld.com

 

187

 

 

146

3.85

1.30

14

 

7.03

 

CBS Sportsline

33

200

185

44

165

3.83

1.15

17

 

7.43

3.8

ESPN Fantasy

 

169

 

 

136

3.83

1.25

13

 

7.24

 

BP Projections (not PECOTA)

175

175

48

127

3.91

1.28

12

20

6.53

2.6

The Sporting News is the most optimistic, predicting an increase in his strikeout rate, and keeping his low walk rate.  Only CBS Sportsline projects a full season of pitching, giving him 33 starts, and 200 innings pitched.  The injury last season that cost him the last month and the entire playoffs is very rare, with only the similar injury to Brad Penny the week before as a precedent.  Reports out of spring training so far are positive, and the low workload last season may have reduced the stress on his rehabbed arm. 

Baseball Prospectus fantasy predictions and PECOTA are the most negative, looking for Carp to give back not only all of the improvement that he made last season over 2001, but to actually be worse than in his final full season with the Blue Jays.  Since a 2001 AL team scored 0.24 runs per game more than the average 2004 NL team, both predictions would be an ERA of about 4.15-4.19 if he was still with the Jays without park adjustment, or benefit of pitching in front of a better defense.  It’s not clear if the BP fantasy projections are based on PECOTA, but it seems probable.  For all of BP’s boasting, all PECOTA seems to do for established players is predict that they’ll do about 10% worse in about 90% of the playing time. Why this doesn’t bother anyone else is beyond me.

For the other systems, they for the most part are just the average of between Carp’s 2001 and 2004 seasons, which is generally the way of most predictive tools, which rarely predict breakouts or collapses.  Much the same as an LA weatherman, every tomorrow is going to be 78 and sunny.

However, should be expect a regression to the mean?  Was his 2004 a huge leap beyond what he had done previously that would lead us to believe it was a career year and likely unrepeatable?  Last season his WHIP was 1.14, which if anything says that his ERA could decline.  His career numbers appear worse than last year’s performance, mostly from a rather poor BB/9 of a little over 3 in his time in Toronto.  His increase in K/9 last year was probably from facing pitchers, and the decline in BAA can be attributed to simply pitching in front of a better defense.  His FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching, a park and league adjusted stat that projects a pitchers ERA in front of an average defense from the Hardball Times) last year was 3.87, which is just about the same as his 2001 ERA after you adjust for league and ballpark.  This means that the lion’s share of his ERA improvement came from pitching in front of the excellent Cardinals defense.   Like Jason Marquis (and hopefully Mark Mulder) he induces more groundballs than average and benefits from the outstanding infield.  Overall, the largest intrinsic change in Carpenter was dropping his BB/9 by about 1.3, keeping the damage from his above average number of homeruns from hurting too much. 

As long as he doesn't start walking people again, or have another injury, he should surpass the PECOTA and BP projections, though the effect of the new middle of the infield on the groundball pitchers on the staff remains to be seen.  The consensus around the Cards Blog-o-sphere seems to be a slight upgrade in Grudzielanek and a massive downgrade with the short range of Eckstein.  This puts a premium on the staff’s strikeouts, which if Carpenter can hold onto his strikeout rate won’t be crippling. 

I’ve already gone on record here predicting Carpenter’s performance as 18/160/0/3.45/1.20 (W/K/SV/ERA/WHIP), and I challenge Nate Silver and his PECOTA automaton to a wager over Chris Carpenter with a six pack of Mountain Dew to the victor.

the Iron_Throne

Posted by Iron_Throne at March 7, 2005 12:00 AM
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And according to the P-D, Tony was so impressed with his first ST outing that he's been named as the opening day starter.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/56FD8F97830DE66C86256FBD0025B898?OpenDocument

Posted by: John at March 7, 2005 11:52 AM

Can the grounds crew just keep the infield lawn a 1/4 inch higher than last year, and maybe only on the left SS pie piece of the infield?

Nice piece about Carpenter. I've been baffled by people's confidence in him for awhile now. It seems too analogous to James' players-get-paid-for-one-great-year idea. Still, people seem willing to believe that Carpenter's sudden career year is attributable to some combination of Dave Duncan and Renteria/Womack. I just still find that odd, but maybe that big difference is there.

I'd be willing to bet you that you're off by 10% in at least 3 of those categories. I'm just being argumentative, but I'll say his line will look more like 16/140/0/3.9/1.4. With wins and K's sort of uninteresting. I hope I'm wrong. His first spring start suggests I am.

Your Pecota observation is funny too. Maybe that's all I'm doing.

Strangely, though, I'd be willing to predict a biggish year from Morris.

Posted by: Ryan at March 7, 2005 03:04 PM

Really Ryan? Morris reminds me of the drunk who keeps insisting he's OK to drive.

Nice to see Carpenter pitch that well yesterday. It removed an itty-bitty part of the doubts.

Posted by: Rob at March 7, 2005 05:00 PM

Ryan, actually this post was in response to your Carpenter comment from a few days ago. All I think I'm saying is that he didn't make that much of a jump from his 2001 numbers if you correct for league, park, and defense.

Posted by: Iron_Throne at March 7, 2005 06:24 PM

Well, you certainly got me thinking and looking for some more numbers.

If a pitcher has control over anything, it should be strikeout and walk rates.

Before 2004, Carp's season
K/IP was about .703. He notched a hefty .835 for 2004, that's an increase of about 19%. Is that from facing a pitcher every 2-3 innings? 19% is nothing to forget about, I mean plenty of people don't even leave that to a hard working waitress.

But the staggering stat is his drop in BB/IP. Before 2004, he was walking .380 batters per inning, that averages to over one batter every inning. In 2004, he dropped it to .209, a drop of nearly 50%.

These two stats have nothing to do with park or defense and it's questionable how much they have to do with facing pitchers maybe 3 times a game.

There could be good reasons for these things. Maybe he found himself or got a better resin bag. Maybe he found the light of the clear cream and Duncan's pilates regimen worked. Maybe he was better managed by Larussa, causing his rate stats to improve so much.

But I still find it remarkable that people are willing to call Carpenter's 2004 somewhat expected whereas they're willing to dismiss a well-known injured Morris's 2004 vs. his career consistent numbers.

Posted by: Ryan at March 8, 2005 07:21 AM

I totally forgot ZIPs! Here is what that generally generous system projects for Carp: (G/IP/H/BB/K/ERA/WHIP/W/HR/K9/KBB)
25/156/154/36/128/3.81/1.22/11/20/.82/3.6
So ZIPs is in line with most of the non-BP predictions with the exception of very pessimistic innings pitched. The problem with predicting good performance in low innings pitched is that if the pitcher has lingering injury problems, he rarely pitches well. On the other hand, I would say that a pitcher who would have this type of line must have had a catastrophic (non-recurring) injury, like a broken bone or some kind of pulled muscle. If I had my own forum for predicting stats, I would stay away from this kind of line (except for people like Griffey).

Posted by: Iron_Throne at March 8, 2005 05:57 PM

I think some of Carpenter's success last season can be attributed that he was a really bad fit in Toronto (when healthy).

By looking at his BABIP average, we can get a decent idea on how good the defense was behind him (league average is generally right around .300)

'04 .282
'02 .332
'01 .308
'00 .311
'99 .335
'98 .310
'97 .374

So clearly the Jays weren't turning batted balls in play into outs a very good rate.

I think the defense definitely helped him but what really made him a good pitcher last year was his new found control. He only walked 1.9 batters per 9 innings last season. That was far and away his best control season. He had typically been between 3-4 walked batter per 9 innings and was even worse in the minors (between 4-5).

If Carpenter can keep his control that good (and stay healthy) then he should be able to duplicate his '04 season. I don't think there is a consensus on Eckstein's defense. UZR rates him very good from 00-03 but Pinto's system puts him at the bottom last year. IT seems like Eckstein wasn't great last year but at least has a track record of being decent.

Posted by: stewie13 at March 9, 2005 09:44 AM

I think some of Carpenter's success last season can be attributed that he was a really bad fit in Toronto (when healthy).

By looking at his BABIP average, we can get a decent idea on how good the defense was behind him (league average is generally right around .300)

'04 .282
'02 .332
'01 .308
'00 .311
'99 .335
'98 .310
'97 .374

So clearly the Jays weren't turning batted balls in play into outs a very good rate.

I think the defense definitely helped him but what really made him a good pitcher last year was his new found control. He only walked 1.9 batters per 9 innings last season. That was far and away his best control season. He had typically been between 3-4 walked batter per 9 innings and was even worse in the minors (between 4-5).

If Carpenter can keep his control that good (and stay healthy) then he should be able to duplicate his '04 season. I don't think there is a consensus on Eckstein's defense. UZR rates him very good from 00-03 but Pinto's system puts him at the bottom last year. IT seems like Eckstein wasn't great last year but at least has a track record of being decent.

Posted by: stewie13 at March 9, 2005 09:44 AM